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Ok, I agree on some points...
Posted By: Henry Butz (24.185.186.154)
In Response To: Nice "dodge"
Location: Long Island, NY
Date: Sunday, 7 March 2004, at 6:49 p.m.
(Michael McGowan)
Photography has suffered a stigma as not being a true art form since its beginning. I find it ironic that photography is finally being accepted as art after the invention of the digital camera. The pioneers and craftsmen who toiled in dark rooms for the past hundred years are just now being recognized, as their photographs hanging on the gallery walls are replaced with something more a product of microprocessors and CCD chips than sweat and fixer fumes.
Who is the real artist? He who designed Photoshop? Or, he who pressed the button?
No matter what the medium, if an artist brings something into existence which can be labeled as "art," then the ends justifies the means. Those working with chicken wire are no less of an artist than those sculpting marble.
Personally tho, I would not visit my local art gallery to see a digital print, since it can be accurately represented on the computer screen in my bedroom. Why waste the gas? More than 80% of the time, I can look at a photographic image and tell you if it's "real" or "virtual." It's like appreciating a fine wine or a microbrew beer. But, if you're a "Bud" drinker...
: Henry, my point isn't superiority of b/w vs.
: color or color vs. digital or any of those.
: It's attitude.: Photographers take a medium that's incapable of
: capturing everything we see in real life and
: somehow offer images that can affect people
: in marvelous ways.: Adams did it by prefogging, adjusting
: development and all sorts of gimmicks that
: work. His prefogging is similar to the
: "flash" used on litho halftones to
: produce a tiny dot in the shadow areas, so
: the tones don't block up.: Ultimately, regardless of medium, the point is
: this: Put an image out there that somebody
: wants to see. Those images have the most
: chance of affecting a viewer.: To my mind, artists have produced interesting
: images since the beginning of time. The
: mediums have changed, but the impetus
: remains the same.: In your view, one medium stands above all
: others. Great. Show us why. Every time you
: post a picture, explain to us why it could
: have been done no other way.: But ultimately, I won't be reading that. I'll
: be looking at the image. Is it compelling?
: Does it grab me? If not me, who would like
: it?: I seldom tell anybody which image is taken in
: what medium. I have pictures from medium
: format, both b/w and color; 35mm, b/w and
: color; and digital, b/w and color. In the
: limited world of the Internet, few can tell
: the difference. Out in the real world of
: displaying prints, hardly anybody gets a
: mix-and-match correct. If they're given no
: clues as to what the medium is, the most
: likely guess is that they'll get the 35mm
: and 120 images right and guess the digital
: came from 4x5 or larger.: Ultimately, the image we see is the one that's
: printed. And printing paper only offers us a
: very narrow slice of reality. Adams knew
: that. It's why he tweaked and abused his
: film so much: so he could get a semblance of
: what he saw on a medium not naturally
: qualified to capture it.: Guess what? We still don't have such a medium.
: We're still tweaking and stretching and
: imagining new ways to capture what we see.
: And that's a great thing! (Gee, I hope the
: feds don't come looking at my stock trades
: for that.)
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